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 Asunto: Barco ibérico del XV-XVI en Namibia
NotaPublicado: 01/May/2008, 21:55 
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La cronología parece semejante al del recientemente descubierto en Xove.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... refer=home


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Esa moneda de oro..... ¿un doble soberano de los Reyes Católicos?. Ummmm, si tuviera una foto de la otra cara... :P


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http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/afric ... index.html

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/05/ ... pwreck.php


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Igual os interesa la última hora de este pecio

Namibia: Team Restarts Work At Shipwreck Site

11 September 2008, by W. Menges

A team of local and international experts visited the site this week
after its sand covering was removed on Monday, the Permanent Secretary
in the Ministry of Youth, National Service, Sport and Culture, Dr
Peingeondjabi Shipoh, told The Namibian yesterday.

He said the team is expected to work at the site for a month or
longer, depending on what they find at the spot.

The discovery of the remains of a wrecked ship, now believed to date
from the 16th century, some 12 kilometres north of the Orange River
near Oranjemund on April 1 has been trumpeted by diamond mining
company Namdeb as Namibia's most important archaeological find of the
century.

In an initial recovery of objects from the shipwreck site during
April, artefacts that included thousands of Spanish and Portuguese
gold coins, minted in the late 1400s and early 1500s, bronze cannons,
more than 50 elephant tusks, several tons of copper, navigational
instruments and pewter tableware were discovered at the site and
removed for safekeeping.

The site lies under sea level in Namdeb's Mining Area 1, in an area
where a huge sea wall had been built to keep back the ocean so that
mining operations could be done. The site was covered with sand again
after the initial recovery of artefacts.

According to a statement issued by the Ministry of Youth, National
Service, Sport and Culture on Tuesday, the wreck has been
provisionally identified as a Portuguese trading vessel that foundered
during an outward-bound voyage to Asia.

Except for more than 2 000 gold coins and 1,4 kilograms of silver
coins, the ship carried a cargo of ivory, over 1 000 copper ingots and
other metal ingots that still have to be identified, according to the
Ministry.

The time of its sinking is estimated to have been between 1525 and the
middle 1500s, the Ministry also stated.

Because of "the tremendous importance of this archaeological
discovery", Government has decided to preserve the remains of the
shipwreck and put these and its related archaeological materials on
display once work on the find has been completed, according to the
statement.

Government-supported excavation work at the site started on Monday,
the Ministry stated.

Directing the work as the principal archaeologist on the project is Dr
Bruno Werz of the Southern African Institute of Maritime Archaeology,
while Dr Dieter Noli, who carried out preliminary excavations at the
site during April, will also remain involved in the project.

The Ministry stated that, given the international value of the
discovery, Government has also invited other scientists from Portugal,
Spain, Zimbabwe and the Centre for Maritime Archaeology and
Conservation at Texas A& M University in the United States of America
to take part in the project.


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 Asunto: sea de quien sea, se lo quedan en Namibia
NotaPublicado: 24/Sep/2008, 00:05 
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Republikein, 23/09/2008

History unfolds in the South

Under picture: The project leader for the salvage of the historical
ship wreck in Oranjemund, dr. Bruno Werz, on the site about 10 km
north of Oranjemund and 7 meters under sea level. Remains of the
wreck can be seen in the background as well as the high wall built by
Namdeb to dry the mining area. The find at Oranjemund of a ship wreck
from the 16th century is the biggest and most important international
find since the finds in the Egyptian pyramids. This is the view of a
team of local and international experts in the fields of history and
archaeology who are currently in the mining town as part of the
salvaging operation.

During the first presentation of the wreck to local and international
media yesterday afternoon, it was stated that the wreck definitely
didn't belong to the Portuguese explorer, Bartolomeu Dias.

Unlike Dias' caravel which was used in the late 15th century on the
route from Europe to Asia, the wreck at Oranjemund is a [karaak?]
which was only used on existing commerce routes. In stead of carrying
up to the normal 100 tons, this ship was able to carry up to 300 tons.

"And the ship on its route from Portugal to India was loaded to
capacity", said the excavation leader, dr. Bruno Werz at the site.
There is also proof that the youngest gold coins which was found at
the ship, were already produced in October 1525, while Dias' ship was
already destroyed in the Atlantic Ocean 25 years before this date.

The identity of the ship, its captain and crew will now only be
determined after months or years of scientific tests. The cargo of
the wreck which was found on 1 April by a heavy vehicle operator of
Namdeb, mr. Kapanda Shatika, in the diamond area U60X, was also
revealed for the first time to the media yesterday.

The exception is that all coins and other valuables were removed and
are now kept in the safes of the Bank of Namibia in Windhoek. The
rest of the cargo which consists of tons of gold, silver, tin, ivory
and metal until now unidentified, are kept in stores of the mine in
the desert area of Uubvlei.

Dr. Werz and his colleague who was the first archaeologist to have a
look at the ship, dr. Dieter Noli of Cape Town, yesterday said that
the copper balls found on board had the trademark (Fugger Trident) of
an influential German family. The copper balls belonged to the Fugger
bankers family of Habsburg who had a huge trading network between
Europe, Africa and the East.

It was the same Fugger-family who, together with their Italian
partners in the early 16th century, borrowed money to European royalty
and were even involved with the financing of the campaign of Charles V
to be appointed as Holy Roman Emperor of France in 1511 and 1519.

Apart from the metals and precious metals as well as more than 2000
coins of gold, silver and copper on board the ship, the excavation
team also found a lot of personal items which even included a set of
Roman Catholic rosary beads which belonged to a sailor.

A cabinet filled with unused swords was also found this week and will
be removed from the site shortly. The permanent secretary of Youth,
National Service, Sport and Culture, dr. Peingeondjabi Shipoh, and the
head of the archaeological team, dr. Webber Ndoro, also gave the
assurance yesterday that the treasure ship and its contents will be
kept by the Oranjemund and southern Karas-region.

An exhibition of the wreck and its treasures is even planned for
Oranjemund and thereafter for Windhoek, and finally it will be moved
to a permanent museum which is planned for Oranjemund.

Christo Retief – Oranjemund.


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The Namibian, Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Shipwreck explorers in race against time
WERNER MENGES at ORANJEMUND

TWO and a half weeks more - this is the only time a multinational team
of archaeologists have left to salvage what they can from the site
where the remains of a centuries-old shipwreck emerged from the ocean
floor near Oranjemund on April 1.

A massive, man-made wall of sand that has pushed back the sea so that
diamond-mining company Namdeb can extend its search for diamonds to
what would normally be part of the seabed is set to be given over to
the forces of nature again around October 10.

After that, the sea will reclaim what it had kept hidden for hundreds of years.

The site that archaeologists have described as a historic find - one
that has produced probably the largest hoard of historic gold in
Africa outside Egypt - will again be covered by water.

The place where a Namdeb bulldozer driver, Kaapanda Shatika, noticed
what turned out to be copper ingots in the sands of the ocean floor,
is normally some seven metres under sea level, Dr Bruno Werz, an
archaeologist from the Southern African Institute of Maritime
Archaeology, said at the site on Monday.

The find has since resulted in the recovery of around 13 tons of
copper ingots, about eight tons of tin, and around 600 kilograms of
ivory during an initial excavation at the site in April, fellow
archaeologist Dr Dieter Noli said at the site.

"That obviously is a very substantial find," he said.

Added to that are cannons, cannonballs of stone and iron, three
anchors, and other artefacts such as pewter plates and bowls.

And then there is gold: 21,15 kg of the fabled yellow metal so far.

Of the more than 2 000 gold coins found so far, about 70 per cent is
Spanish, with the remaining 30 per cent Portuguese.

About 1,15 kg of silver coins has also been found.

"That's probably the most gold that's ever been found in Africa,
outside the Valley of the Kings in Egypt," Noli said.

The coins have been transported to the vaults of the Bank of Namibia
in Windhoek.

According to Werz it is thought that the site holds the remains of the
back portion of a three-mast Portuguese trading vessel, which had been
about 30 metres in length when it sailed from Europe down the coast of
Africa on a doomed voyage to Asia.

It is Werz's theory that the ship may have sunk after striking a rock.

As it went to the bottom of the ocean, weighed down by its cargo of
metals, ivory, weapons and other goods, the ship's masts probably
broke, and with that the ship structure also broke apart.

The heavy parts of the ship, such as sections of its structure, ingots
and other material found at the excavation site, remained at the site
of the sinking, while other material, such as some elephant tusks and
a part of the mast structure that have been found kilometers to the
north of the site, were washed in that direction with the ocean's
currents, he said.

Because the ship met its end on an isolated piece of coastline that is
also situated in the strict security zone of the Sperrgebiet, it has
been out of reach of wreck hunters who might otherwise have plundered
the ship and its cargo, Werz said.

The result is that this wreck is unique, because most of its contents
are still on the site, which is very rare to find, he said.

"This is a cultural treasure of immense proportions," Werz remarked.

Portuguese archaeologist Francisco Alves, who has worked at the site
since a second phase of excavation started earlier this month, said
the ship was a merchant crown ship of Portugal.

For Alves, the dotted pattern of a circle on some of the Portuguese
gold coins found so far has provided a valuable clue that this ship
could not date back further than late in the year 1525, because the
minting of coins with that type of pattern only started in October
1525.

This should lay to rest speculation that the ship may have been that
of Portuguese explorer Bartolomeu Dias, whose ship went missing in a
storm off the Cape coast in 1500.

Another clue pointing to the Portuguese origins of the ship has been
found on some of the copper ingots that bear a trident-shaped marking.

This was a marking that was used by the Fugger family - a fabulously
wealthy family of bankers in 16th century Europe who were also
suppliers of metals to Portugal in that era, according to Alves.

The archaeologists at the site, also including Dr Webber Ndoro of the
African World Heritage Fund, who is based in Johannesburg, all said
they were removing as much archaeological material as could be found
before it is again surrendered to the ocean.

Only once this part of their taskwas complete - they have been told
that they have until about October 10 to get this done, according to
Werz - will they be able to get around to analysing the artefacts and
focusing on their conservation.

Werz said it is a task that could take decades to complete."


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En la página del Arqua podéis bajaros un informe preliminar de la visita de Rocío Castillo y Juan Luis Sierra al pecio.

http://museoarqua.mcu.es/uploads/ficher ... amibia.pdf


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muchas gracias por compartirlo Klaro, y bienvenido.


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En vez de vender su patimonio histórico los namibios han optado por una excavación en toda regla. La actitud de las autoridades de este país, la ayuda del INA, que Portugal desplace al profesor Alves, y que España mande a dos técnicos del Centro Nacional de Arq. Sub. nos indica que han optado por una excavación seria y rigurosa.
Una conducta ejemplar, un ejemplo a seguir y un camino, el de la colaboración entre países.
!! Vaya lección !! Ole por Namibia.

Un saludo de Almadraba.


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